=> Update 1.70.496 - discussion thread

[bobo baggins]

Well they have exp drops every 25 lvls so the lower lvl players can catch up so they try to make it fair for those working there way up. But they took that away for the lower guilds when they removed the 3000 honor gap rule. Fine if they want to have it so top guilds can attack lower guilds as I said b4 the need to let the lower guilds be able to attack them if they want to. Also I think the exp if u attack that much lower should be very little like 10% of what it is if under 3000 honor.


Remember the part on over 3000 honor would effect more then just the top guild I have seen toons I have retired on get attack by top 20 guilds and the honor gap is way over 3000. If a guild is that far below u in honor means there is a reason for it which most likely is u can beat then fairly easy so y should u get full exp for something that is easy.

[GeorgeKen]

If they wanted to monopolise the server then its their own fault for being so greedy in nature

being the no.1 guild doesnt mean they monopolise the server, it means it is the strongest guild. Two guilds might be almost equal with each other, like in Server 1 Carpe Noctem and Chain Gang. Their difference in power is almost 0. Wouldnt that make the game unfair for Carpe Noctem if we couldnt get any exp and honor simply because we are no1?

[Hellish]

being the no.1 guild doesnt mean they monopolise the server, it means it is the strongest guild. Two guilds might be almost equal with each other, like in Server 1 Carpe Noctem and Chain Gang. Their difference in power is almost 0. Wouldnt that make the game unfair for Carpe Noctem if we couldnt get any exp and honor simply because we are no1?

You misread what I had said and turned it into something else. I clearly said the best fix for me would make it so any attacks over 3k honor gap give no exp at all

[GeorgeKen]

You misread what I had said and turned it into something else. I clearly said the best fix for me would make it so any attacks over 3k honor gap give no exp at all

I did not miss what you said mate. But what I said is that in server 1, the no.1 guild is just a bit stronger than guild no.2. For that reason, our difference is higher than 3000 (currently at 5000). And I repeat, wouldn't it be unfair for Carpe Noctem to not get any exp simply because it is a slightly stronger guild?


The point I try to make out here is that the difference of 3000 honor is not always representative of the strength difference between two guilds, nor because no.1 guild has gathered all the top players of the server. In this case, it happens simply because someone has to be no1 and someone has to be no2, see what I mean?

In my opinion, this current system is the best choice they had considering how the guild vs guild system works in this game. And I think it is good that lower guilds who are more than 3000 honor less than the higher guilds should not be able to attack higher ones (just like what happens now), so that the higher guilds cannot create a fake small guild to protect them from competition. i.e. Guild no.1 cannot protect itself from guild no.2 by creating a fake guild to make fake attacks against itself

[Hellish]

I did not miss what you said mate. But what I said is that in server 1, the no.1 guild is just a bit stronger than guild no.2. For that reason, our difference is higher than 3000 (currently at 5000). And I repeat, wouldn't it be unfair for Carpe Noctem to not get any exp simply because it is a slightly stronger guild?


The point I try to make out here is that the difference of 3000 honor is not always representative of the strength difference between two guilds, nor because no.1 guild has gathered all the top players of the server. In this case, it happens simply because someone has to be no1 and someone has to be no2, see what I mean?

In my opinion, this current system is the best choice they had considering how the guild vs guild system works in this game. And I think it is good that lower guilds who are more than 3000 honor less than the higher guilds should not be able to attack higher ones (just like what happens now), so that the higher guilds cannot create a fake small guild to protect them from competition. i.e. Guild no.1 cannot protect itself from guild no.2 by creating a fake guild to make fake attacks against itself

Ok. What about like bobo said reduce the exp gain to make it more fair

[bobo baggins]

I believe the exp gain is lower if over 3000 then if it was under 3000 I don't know but how much though it could be even less then it is I am sure if they wanted to do so.

But Buldur is it fair say for example #1 is 4000 over #2 and because of retired toons and ppl just leaving for more fun in lower guilds that #2 can beat #1 but because of the current rules in place they cant attack #1. But #1 can attack any guild just to get the 20 honor to keep the honor gap enough to stay #1.
I for one say it isn't fair and the solution is one of 3 things put things back the way they were no one can attack a guild if the difference is over 3000 honor up or down, or allow any guild to attack another guild or the best solution but hardest to code most likely if the honor is over 3000 only the guild just below you can attack you this stops the forming of small guilds to block guilds from getting attacked from below.

[Sabaotha]

On the s2.nl server the top guild has more than 3000 honor more than guild 2, and guild 2 has more than 2000 honor more than guild 3. So both guild 1 and guild 2 will get no more than 20 honor if they attack the guild just below them. So why take the risk to attack the one rank lower guild if they can get the same amount of honor against a more lower guild at no risk at all.
So guild 1 cannot be attacked at all, and guild 2 can't be attacked by lower guilds, and will not be attacked by the top guild because of the risk.

The situation on the s2.nl server is that both guild 1 and guild 2 are not being attacked by another guild for more than two month.
This is undesirable and not right, and I plea again that a guild always could attack a guild just above them, what the difference in honor may be.

[Solarking]

On the s2.nl server the top guild has more than 3000 honor more than guild 2, and guild 2 has more than 2000 honor more than guild 3. So both guild 1 and guild 2 will get no more than 20 honor if they attack the guild just below them. So why take the risk to attack the one rank lower guild if they can get the same amount of honor against a more lower guild at no risk at all.
So guild 1 cannot be attacked at all, and guild 2 can't be attacked by lower guilds, and will not be attacked by the top guild because of the risk.

The situation on the s2.nl server is that both guild 1 and guild 2 are not being attacked by another guild for more than two month.
This is undesirable and not right, and I plea again that a guild always could attack a guild just above them, what the difference in honor may be.

I don't think guild 2 wants to attack guild 1 anymore on s2 after the big beating we gave them today.

[bobo baggins]

I don't think guild 2 wants to attack guild 1 anymore on s2 after the big beating we gave them today.

for most servers #2 cant beat #1 but if they wanted to they should be given the same chance to do so as #1 guild has to attack them.

[Cregan]

On the s2.nl server the top guild has more than 3000 honor more than guild 2, and guild 2 has more than 2000 honor more than guild 3. So both guild 1 and guild 2 will get no more than 20 honor if they attack the guild just below them. So why take the risk to attack the one rank lower guild if they can get the same amount of honor against a more lower guild at no risk at all.
So guild 1 cannot be attacked at all, and guild 2 can't be attacked by lower guilds, and will not be attacked by the top guild because of the risk.

The situation on the s2.nl server is that both guild 1 and guild 2 are not being attacked by another guild for more than two month.
This is undesirable and not right, and I plea again that a guild always could attack a guild just above them, what the difference in honor may be.

And then we get those practices again that the higher guild 'protect' themselves from attacks.