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Old 20th November 2018, 02:59 PM
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It has been brought to my attention that there is an "Anger Bonus".

Originally I thought this would have started in Round 2 but I'm being told it starts in Round 1.

Basically it is this:

Round 1a - Toon A First Strike = 100%
Round 1b - Toon B First Strike + 40% = 140%
Round 2a - 1a + 40% = 140%
Round 2b - 1b + 40% = 180%
Round 3a - 2a + 40% = 180%
Round 3b - 2b + 40% = 220%
Round 4a - 3a + 40% = 220%
Round 4b - 4a + 40% = 260%

I'm also being told the armor bonus does apply (only time it doesn't is when the attacker is a mage).

There is also the defender's dexterity defense which means an even lower damage value but I won't calculate it (you'll see why below)

New Max Crit should be 33,069,609 * 2 [crit] = 66,139,218 * 1.05 [sword of vengenace] = 69,446,179 * 1.4 [Round 1b Anger] = 97,224,651 * .9 [10% Armor Reduction] = 87,502,186

Even WITHOUT the armor reduction .... the damage is still too high

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Old 20th November 2018, 09:49 PM
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I get your point but I need more proof.

Sersemina vs. Galileo: was it really the first hit? Because Sersemina is already wounded when she striked Galileo.

Yes, you deal more damage each round, anger builds up...otherwise fights would take forever, especially for low levels.

Please check your very first hit and how much damage you deal. If it is too high, please take a screenshot or keep the replay in your inbox so I can check it out.
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Old 21st November 2018, 12:23 AM
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I get your point but I need more proof.

Sersemina vs. Galileo: was it really the first hit? Because Sersemina is already wounded when she striked Galileo.

Yes, you deal more damage each round, anger builds up...otherwise fights would take forever, especially for low levels.

Please check your very first hit and how much damage you deal. If it is too high, please take a screenshot or keep the replay in your inbox so I can check it out.
Sure thing (I'm leaving out Mage's Dexterity Defense because it won't matter here, it would just slightly lower the max damage)

Here is Sersemina's Stats:



His Max Crit Damage (Round 1a) against mages is:
29,656,044 * 2 = 59,312,088 * 1.05 = 62,277,692 * .9 = 56,049,923

Here is Sersemina's Damage:



In this case, Sersemina's 1st attack is considered Round 1b aka 140% so:
56,049,923 * 1.4 = 78,469,892

So, Sersemina's damage is within range (this is a good thing).

Now, let's look at Deraphin's Stats:



His Max Crit Damage (Round 1a) against mages is:
33,069,609 * 2 = 66,139,218 * 1.05 = 69,446,179 * .9 = 62,501,561

Here is Deraphin's Damage:



In this case, Deraphin's 1st attack is considered Round 1b aka 140% so:
62,501,561 * 1.4 = 87,502,185

So, Deraphin's damage is out of range (this is a bad thing)

This means there are other factors involved which either #1 we're not aware of for damage calculations or #2 the Gladiator Bonus is still in effect

I did some deep searching of the German Forums and they spent a long time calculating battles to come to the conclusion of the "anger bonus" and got the math right, so I don't think its #1

I hope this helps
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Old 21st November 2018, 09:52 AM
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Leander, that was my first hit. My opponent striked first and he did a 153mln crit. Then in the first round I did 68mln crit.

BMWGuinness, I haven't heard of rounds 1a and 1b, I think in the first round both players have no bonus damage. The bonus comes at round 2, 3 and so on. I think it was 20-30% bonus per round, but 40% just because you start second sounds a bit too much.


ps. Sersemina sounds like a she, but last time I checked it's still a he

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Old 21st November 2018, 02:01 PM
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@Sersemina Good to know.

Thanks for further clarifaction (the fight I mean). Now I have everything I need for a further bug report.

@BMWGuiness The first round does not have a rage bonus. It is only applied from the second round on.
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Old 21st November 2018, 04:01 PM
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Hi Leander,

Server has updated and both international halls of fame are blank again

Server Version (2.0) now shows as v1574

Can you let us know what has changed?

Thank you

My calculations came from this thread in the German Forum
https://forum.sfgame.de/showthread.php?t=47720

Here, Petra Silie says



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So that the fights don't last too long, you get stronger per turn, to be exact +40%.

A starts, hits B.
B gets angry, hits with +40%.
A doesn't put up with that and also hits with +40%.
etc. etc.

Especially important for Warrior vs. Warrior battles, because otherwise they would have taken "eternally"; some adjustments - and for Kundi evasive duels you would not only need one Snickers but at least two
Alexander (Game Staff) thanked Petra Silie and commented further down the thread.
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Black Friday Weekend...and this change:

"you can upgrade the Gem Mine to level 25 and the Gold Pit to level 20 (starting this Friday at 00:01 CET)!"
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Old 21st November 2018, 04:47 PM
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Black Friday Weekend...and this change:

"you can upgrade the Gem Mine to level 25 and the Gold Pit to level 20 (starting this Friday at 00:01 CET)!"
Great news, thank you!

Can you please confirm that the Rage Bonus starts in the 2nd round, and not the 2nd half of the first round? (based on my info in the previous post)
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Old 22nd November 2018, 12:57 AM
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Here is another example:



Max Crit with Gladiator

50,321,980 * 2 = 100,643,960 * 1.80 = 181,159,128

Max Crit without Gladiator

50,321,980 * 2 = 100,643,960 * 1.05 = 105,676,158

Max Crit without Gladiator + 40% Rage (should NOT be applicable for Round 1)

50,321,980 * 2 = 100,643,960 * 1.05 = 105,676,158 * 1.4 = 147,946,621

1st Round result:
Scio Rank 91 vs HarryPotter Rank 92



So, this is way too high for Round 1 Max Crit without the Gladiator Bonus but it falls within range for Round 1 Max Crit with the Gladiator Bonus.

Feel free to check for yourself in the International Hall of Fame until 23 hours from now.
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Old 22nd November 2018, 01:15 PM
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@BMW The German community manager confirmed that the rage bonus starts in the first round, 2nd hit.

START OF FIGHT

Player 1 strikes without a bonus
Player 2 strikes with rage bonus
Player 1 strikes with rage bonus
Player 2 strikes with rage bonus
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