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Old 18th December 2018, 04:40 PM
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Default gem mine and gold pit strategy

So - with the uncapped gem mine and gold pit, what is the best strategy going forward? I mean, it does not make sense to just upgrade the mine like forever, and never get any gem :-). Same thing for the gold pit (apart from the fact, that it takes 3+ years to reach level 225). Has anybody made some calculus on what the smartest thing to do?
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Old 18th December 2018, 07:35 PM
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I think people first need to upgrade the mines and see differences to make some canculations.
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Old 18th December 2018, 09:14 PM
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Yeah - it may be people have to check. I just figured, someone already know the formula for what it gives. At least the gold pit? It would be good to have those. Like gold as a function of char level and pit level. And gem bonus and gem cost as function of char level and pit level (and possibly excavation time, if that changes)
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Old 19th December 2018, 08:26 AM
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The gem formula is clear:

lvl char*0.36*[1+0.15*(gem mine lvl-1)]+knights/3

This is for big primary stat gems. For black gems divide by 2 and add 30%
I think the final number can have 15% deviation.

My plans are to finish upgrading gem mine 22, then search for the two keys for the new dungeon, then continue upgrading to level 25. Then search for gems till I upgrade all my current gems. After that I will probably go for 5-10 straight gem mine upgrades followed by a gem search.
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Old 19th December 2018, 09:09 AM
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TY - Sersemina.
It may be a good strategy to do so, upgrade gem mine and take advantage of the better gems.
Further to the increase in stat, it is also interesting to understand how much you get for selling the gems you cannot use. This can be used for permanent stat increase :-P.
So I am also trying to understand whether there is a change in the time it takes to dig a gem (currently 6,5 hours with the full fortress built) as well as the formula for the value of the gems.

This latter part is probably much more straightforward for the gold pit. On one side, you can choose to spend the 162 million souls and upgrade the gold pit for 14+ days OR just use the gold pit for getting your gold.
Just a simple comparison: when do we have the break-even between sticking to gold pit 15 and harvest gold, vs upgrading to lvl 16 - or 17 or 225. Building to level 225 will take 3 years, so for sure the break-even point will be much further out into the future; and nothing to really target for.
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Old 4th January 2019, 01:03 AM
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My fortress isn't finished yet, so I only have experience with the gold pit.
Each upgrade takes 15 days.
The amortization on charlevel 400 is about 250 days after completion of the upgrades.
Btw the upgrade to stage 255 would need almost 9 years.
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Old 4th January 2019, 01:07 PM
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Interesting, tinc.
Let me see if I understand this correctly:

At your level 400:
(What you can collect with a level 15 mine in 250 days)
equals
(What you can collect with a level 16 mine in 235 days, minus the 10 mill it cost to upgrade the mine)

Is that the case?
If so, with a payback time of 250 days I really dont see a point of upgrading too much / at all... Tomorrow I will have gold pit 17. If the above is true for my level too (495), I will not start benefiting from these 2 upgrades, until after around 500-2*15=470 more days :-P. If I continue upgrading to stage 255 (spending the full 9 years) it will take me 164 years before breakeven???

Still - I would love to see the formula for the gold payback, including character level and mine level.
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Old 4th January 2019, 02:01 PM
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Interesting, tinc.
Let me see if I understand this correctly:

At your level 400:
(What you can collect with a level 15 mine in 250 days)
equals
(What you can collect with a level 16 mine in 235 days, minus the 10 mill it cost to upgrade the mine)

Is that the case?
If so, with a payback time of 250 days I really dont see a point of upgrading too much / at all... Tomorrow I will have gold pit 17. If the above is true for my level too (495), I will not start benefiting from these 2 upgrades, until after around 500-2*15=470 more days :-P. If I continue upgrading to stage 255 (spending the full 9 years) it will take me 164 years before breakeven???

Still - I would love to see the formula for the gold payback, including character level and mine level.
The goldmine fills with gold while building. And after upgrade you may get max gold.

I think we can suggest to increase the max gold with mine level and that potentially will make this mechanic more realistic
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Old 4th January 2019, 03:32 PM
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I did not get even 25% of gold mine after upgrade.
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Old 4th January 2019, 05:28 PM
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Interesting, tinc.
.. it will take me 164 years before breakeven???

Still - I would love to see the formula for the gold payback, including character level and mine level.
I'll try my best ..

CC = constraction costs
LM = lost mining
DAV = daily addad value
AP = amortization period

LM = gold/h * 24 * 15d
CC = 10,000,000 + LM

Since the gold pit produces one percent of the city guard yield for one hour per stage and hour, the daily added value after expansion corresponds to one percent of the hourly city guard yield times 24, or 1/15 of the previous yield, since our gold pit had already had stage 15 before expansion.

DAV = gold/h * 24 / 15stages

AP = CC / DAV + 15days

CC = 254,500.16 * 24 * 15d = 91,620,057.6 + 10,000,000 = 101,620,057.6

DAV = 254,500.16 * 24 / 15s = 407,200.25

AP = 101,620,057.6 / 407,200.25 = 249,55 days

For each further expansion stage, 15 days of construction time are added up only.
Every level up of the char will shorten the amortization period.
Anything else is speculation. We don't know yet if there is a limited capacity of the gold pit.
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